DISCUSSION POETS HARDY & ELIOT BRIEFLY RESPOND scholarly to FOUR POSTS

DISCUSSION POETS HARDY & ELIOT BRIEFLY RESPOND scholarly to FOUR POSTS

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· POST ONE-Hardy – DW16

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T.S. Eliot and Thomas Hardy have similar writing styles.  However, Hardy is straight forward, very imaginative, and to the point in his writing. Hardy’s cynicism shows human struggles as useless against universal forces, which is a common theme in his literary works.  Eliot wanted his poetry to capture the fragile physiological state of  humanity disintegrating the twentieth century. Both writers had a vision of post religion society and dealt with mortality.The failure of the works can be seen as a metaphor of cultural pessimism and desolation that can be accredited to literary criticism.  Both Eliot and Hardy’s admiration for mythological works are filled with references of critical interpretations of text.  To enlighten readers, the poet must beware of using excessive academic language and only extract the most important historical pieces of the past into a poem.

· POST TWO- T.S. Eliot & Hardy CJ – 16

In the years following World War One, society was reeling from a dehumanizing realization of the lack of sanctity found in everything previously held dear. The poets of the time analyzed this truth, sought to internalize the feelings of society as a whole, and then reproduce them in works painted with honesty. T.S. Eliot’s The Wasteland is perhaps the most heavy-handed in this sense. Eliot goes to great lengths to describe the world around him. He states,

“A heap of broken images, where the sun beats, And the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief, And the dry stone no sound of water. Only There is shadow under this red rock, (Come in under the shadow of this red rock), And I will show you something different from either Your shadow at morning striding behind you Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you; I will show you fear in a handful of dust.”

By encapsulating the feelings of hopelessness, fear, and despair, Eliot was able to successfully conjure an emotional response from his peers within a universal situation and worldview.

In a similar sense, Thomas Hardy also addresses the hopelessness that accompanies collapse. In Hap, Hardy analyzes the suffering that follows a loss of faith. Hardy blames “casualty” and “time” for unhappiness and attributes suffering not to God, but mere acts of chance. This collapse of faith mirrors the literal historical and emotional collapse mentioned by Eliot.

· POST THREE – T.S. Elliot & Thomas Hardy VT -15

Thomas Hardy and T.S. Elliot are Victorian style poetry writers whose works were greatly influenced by past conflicts and the state of society in their time periods. These influences gave both these writers consistently similar themes of collapse throughout many of their works. I will discuss works by these authors that are blatantly about collapse and in Thomas hardy’s works that basically state his mission as a writer to expose the ugly things. Both were troubled by how poorly their society of the day was constructed and run. This is their theme of collapse.

T.S. Elliot’s work is greatly influenced by his experience living through World War I and this gives his work a pessimistic tone a lot of times. A good example of the pessimistic tone and his constant themes of collapse are his works in The Wasteland, which is comprised of five poems. Each one is riddled with the Elliot almost battling with himself on how he feels about the state of fairs in the world and each one uses either fantastical, dreary, and pessimistic imagery to describe not only the what he was felling, but also to set the scene in which was experiencing his life through. An example of this comes from his work The Burial of the Dead. In this work he says, “Winter kept us warm, covering / Earth in forgetful snow, feeding / A little life with dried tubers.” He is ironically stating “Winter kept us warm” and using the imagery of “forgetful snow” to imply a sort of ignorance is bliss idea.

Thomas Hardy’s poems are less emotionally indecisive than that of Elliot’s work. Hardy is much like Elliot in that he likes to use his work to question his current state of affairs and also, he likes to drum up conversations on topics that would be considered topics to avoid. In his three-works titled Tenebris I-III, he discusses how most people do not bother themselves with ugly questions that could change the norm and explains how he himself has found himself questioning the point of life. Specifically, in Tenebris II, Hardy states his mission as a writer by saying “Who holds that if way to the Better there be, it exacts a full look at the Worst.” In here he is trying to explain that he believes the only way to make things better is to look at the things that are making everything worse, no matter how ugly these things may be.

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· POST FOUR – T.S. Eliot and Hardy AJ

Both T.s Eliot and Hardy were  very well-known and popular creative artist both know as  novelist and   poet. Hardy had written a lot of prolific poems in traditional ballad form, such as  volume Satires of Circumstance, that were socially and emotionally significant.  One of Hardy’s most popular works that he is remembered by, “During Wind and Rain which was written in 1917. The poem is about big things such as life and death, and the passing of time. After the death of his wife whom he was suggestively haunted psychologically and wrote about death and resurrection, as love poems, inspired by her as his muse.. He died in 1928, but during his lifetime he was awarded in 1910 he was  awarded a  the prestigious literary Order of  Merit. Elliot, on the other hand, Eliot was fond of repeating and ridiculing Hardy’s poems after leaving his wife in 1933. Eliot was theoretically opposing Hardy  suggestively in that subliminal messaging format,\ of  sharing in his opposing view, he believed poetry’s creative role was supposed to take someone away (relieve, protect and alienate) ones emotions from but not towards them. Both had a different approach to the message and purpose of poetry. Hardy can be classified as  traditional due to the clearly distinctive classical and expressions of the dark side of the renaissance, if you consider his sharing his fears and terror  as a humanitarian offering towards mankind  in his literary work.

Post-modernization of literature characterizes the collapse of both Eliot and Hardy. It is something that started in the early 20th century and required an imagist. The post-modernist began to seek to be stimulated by the best artist sought out by popular demand, exhibiting perfection and creative excellence, resulting from the habitual practice learning them from exposure to said artist/ poets in different cultures. Some of the cultures they focused their attention towards include Japanese, Chinese, Greek among others. At the start, they started with short poems but soon evolved to seek out and embrace longer and more complex works  of Post-modernist poets followed specific rules that  were set in place to make poems interesting. Some of the things embraced included  going straight to the point whether it is objective or subjective, use of words that only contribute to what is referenced in the presentation. Another is employing rhythm to compose a sequence that can translated as  musical to make poem interesting. Common words were used, sprinkled  throughout the works of  poetry. The rise of modernist saw the collapse of Eliot and Hardy due to their conservative approach based on personal feelings layered in negativity. The maturity of modernist which attained different traits and manner to please the reader. Hence, both Eliot and Hardy’s popularity collapsed due to their social and emotionally limited conservative approach. The overpowering concept of death, negativity, influences of the supernatural and psychological haunting s evolved into personal and professional in- fighting against one another. For instance, Eliot wrote maligning allegations that Hardy used to worship DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS POST, RESPOND TO THE RESPONSE BELOW?

RESPONSE: You mentioned rhythm in your analysis. That was one of the first thing I noticed (especially about Eliot). He seems to have a unique understanding of rhythm and the ability to put tons of allusion in his work.  RESPOND TO this RESPONSE?

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